Stop Guessing About Your Heart: What Plant-Based Living Really Does for Heart Disease

❤️ Heart disease is still the leading cause of death worldwide, yet much of it is preventable.

In a recent episode of the Plant-Based Support Podcast, lifestyle medicine physician Dr. Niki Davis sits down with renowned plant-based cardiologist Dr. Joel Kahn to unpack what actually protects your heart—and what many people misunderstand about heart health.

🌱 Dr. Kahn makes one thing clear early on: a whole-food, plant-based diet is the most powerful foundation for cardiovascular health.

Decades of research, including landmark studies like the Adventist Health Study and the Portfolio Diet Trial, show that plant-based eating can dramatically lower LDL cholesterol and reduce heart disease risk—sometimes rivaling medications.

But diet alone isn’t the full picture.

One of the biggest surprises for many plant-based eaters is that you don’t automatically get a “free pass” on heart disease. Genetics play a major role, particularly a marker called lipoprotein(a), which affects about 20% of people and doesn’t reliably respond to lifestyle changes. “You can be doing everything right and still have silent heart disease,” Dr. Kahn explains.

🫀 That’s why preventive cardiology matters.

Dr. Kahn encourages regular testing, including vitamin B12, vitamin D, omega-3 levels, inflammation markers, and—most importantly—a coronary artery calcium (CAC) scan. His goal is simple: “You want to be a zero.” A CAC score of zero dramatically lowers your risk of a heart attack over the next decade.

🩺 The takeaway isn’t fear—It’s empowerment.

A plant-based lifestyle combined with early testing, education, and awareness gives you the best chance to prevent heart disease before symptoms ever appear.

As Dr. Kahn puts it best: more plants, less plaque.

If you care about heart health, longevity, and making informed lifestyle choices, this episode is a must-listen.

👉 Explore more episodes and support at plantbasedsupport.org

Episode’s Transcript

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Niki Davis, MD (00:06.676)

Hello everyone, I'm Dr. Niki Davis and this is the Plant-Based Support Podcast where we share evidence-based wisdom, real stories and support for your journey to better health through plant-based living. Now I myself worked as an engineer on the space shuttle program before changing my own health and career when I moved to a plant-based diet. Now as a lifestyle medicine physician, I help patients all over the world at LifestyleTelemedicine.com.

In today's episode, we will be chatting with Dr. Joel Kahn, a plant-based cardiologist who helps his patients through preventive, integrative, and holistic medicine. Now, before we get to that, we always like to start our episodes of the Plant-Based Support Podcast with just a quick learning moment. And since we are talking with a heart doctor today, did you know that a plant-based diet can significantly reduce your risk of cardiovascular disease?

Well, one of the most powerful studies, the Adventist Health Study 2 found that vegetarians had a 42 % lower risk of heart disease compared to meat eaters. And another major study, the Portfolio Diet Trial showed that a plant-based eating pattern could lower LDL cholesterol by up to 30%, comparable to starting a statin. Now these results are clear, more plants, less plaque. Now our guest today, I want to introduce you to the wonderful Dr. Joel Kahn. How are you today?

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (01:31.556)

I'm excited to be here and hopefully everybody will chuckle. I also have a treadmill desk. It's not only the famous Dr. Michael Greger. So hopefully nobody will get seasick. I'm walking real slow, but you got to get your 7,000 steps in the day. 7,000 is the new number, but thank you for having me.

Niki Davis, MD (01:44.189)

haha

Niki Davis, MD (01:50.159)

I love that. I'm so glad that you're getting your movement while we're doing this and it looks like you're wearing a vest as well.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (01:57.368)

Yeah, I've always had a weighted vest for like gym workouts that I use a lot of the time. But a recent study just last week was published that if you're striving to lose weight and maintain the weight loss, and most of us would say, yeah, that's me. If you've lost some weight and you add a weighted vest in, you'll probably maintain your weight loss better. And it's generally pretty harmless.

So I've been wearing a weighted vest for about seven hours a day, but you can't wear a 25 pound one. I mean, it's not reasonable. So I found a brand out of New Jersey. It's about seven, eight pounds. And when you combine it with walking, you really get a pretty good workout. So I'm always trying, you know, kind of new hacks. I mean, I eat so much asparagus, broccoli and arugula. I can't go much further there. So I'm trying, you know, other add ons that take the perfect diet and just add some.

fun fitness or sleep.

Niki Davis, MD (02:52.539)

I love that. Well, and I wear a weighted vest as well. And I often am recommending that to my patients with osteopenia or osteoporosis to help with bone density as well. Yeah. All right. Well, for the people who don't know you, Dr. Khan, I would love for you to just tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (03:05.134)

Right? Good.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (03:15.972)

Sure, I'll try and keep it short because there's so much we could talk about. But I am beaming to you via southeastern Michigan, grew up in this area. I grew up in a home where we kept dietary laws called keeping kosher. So a lot of interesting implications from that. I didn't just eat food. I had to think for a minute. Does this have meat and cheese? Does this have pork? Is this bacon? And I just chose not to eat those things. I ate all kinds of other foods.

But it made me look at food as something more than just, you know, a grab and go. There was some small spiritual and familial input there. And that led me at 1977, nearly 50 years ago. I entered the University of Michigan. They had a program where you entered undergrad and medical school combined. was wonderful program. And the first week in the dorm, I realized this is not my mama's food. This is, number one, most of it was in kosher. It was just horrible looking.

and they had a great salad bar in a dorm called East Quad, if anybody's from Ann Arbor. And really, I quickly transitioned eating almost exclusively the salad bar at age 17, 18. I had a very cute little girlfriend with me who's been my wife for 44 years. She did exactly the same thing for exactly the same reason. My parents, around the same time, went to the Pritikin Center in Santa Monica, California. It's now in Miami.

And my mother started making lentil loaf at home when I went back on a weekend instead of meatloaf. So all of a sudden it was like fiber everywhere, fiber, fiber, like a Toy Story. And then, know, I read John Robbins book and I've heard of Dean Ornish. Those all took a few years, but I stopped eating animal foods in the seventies and grateful for it. I mean, a hundred percent stopped eating animal foods in the seventies. And so, you know, it was that kind of

Family background, my parents made a food change. I was in the medical world early in life. I found Dean Ornish early in life and then I found Pritikin and I found Esselstyn and I found Furman, know, everything took a little while, but I agree with you. I mean, you can literally prevent and reverse heart disease with a plant-based diet. You still have to do some testing, but the other key is you got to do it early if you really want to prevent heart disease.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (05:35.746)

You know, most of us in our 40s, 50s have silent heart disease and we're more working on halting and reversing. We're not really preventing it. It's there. We can talk about how do you know that? Cause I'm a prevention nut. really am big into, for some reason, my treadmill test is accelerating. Give me a run. you know, really, we really, hardcore plant-based eaters should have some cardiac testing.

There's too much genetic input and other factors. So I don't think anybody gets a pass. If you're alive, you need a heart test or two, but we can talk about that. And now I do for past 10 years. Yeah, I practiced like you, lifestyle cardiology. I stopped doing the cath lab. I used to be the king of putting in stents and heart attacks. I loved it. It was great stuff. People are walking around this planet because I saved their life at three in the morning.

Niki Davis, MD (06:14.286)

I would love to talk about that.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (06:33.24)

But I do, I try and be way upstream. Make sure you never get in the cath lab getting a stent or a bypass. And we got to start earlier in life.

Niki Davis, MD (06:43.185)

Absolutely. Well, and that, you know, I have a, I have a significant family history as well. When I was about 13 or 14 years old, my dad had a major heart attack when I was at home alone with him. Thankfully he barely survived. Uh, but, uh, but that, you know, and of course grandparents that have died of heart disease. And so I knew at a young age actually that I needed to care about my health and I started removing plant based or sorry.

started removing animal products from my diet as a teenager because I felt like that would be healthier. just, know, visually looking at a greasy hamburger, I said, that just can't be good for me. It just didn't make sense to me logically that that would be a health food when, opposed to looking at carrots and broccoli, like that seemed like that's health food, right? so, so, so tell us a little bit then about kind of some of these cardiac

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (07:34.284)

I agree. I agree.

Niki Davis, MD (07:40.816)

tests and markers that you recommend that people get.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (07:47.172)

Well, number one, I just make sure everybody hears. They're going to hear it from you and they're going to hear it from Paul Chatlin. They're going to hear it from anybody else at plant-based support. You know, that's the best decision you can make in life is adopting without negotiating a whole food, plant-based, home-cooked, close to nature, brightly colored, diverse plant-based diet. And even get, I don't need to say plant-based because I eat only plants, 100 % plants, nothing but plants. Some raw, some cooked.

Mostly at home. I've navigated restaurants for nearly 50 years and you can survive. It's a little harder if you're following a strict SOS free diet, but you can navigate it. So everybody don't even question it. I'm kind of a geek about medical literature and I mean, there just aren't favorable ketogenic diet, paleo diet, carnivore diet studies. There's every week so many favorable.

plant-based diet studies. know, nutritional research is very difficult to do. I just want to give you one example and then I'll talk about cardiac tests. I'm not sure exactly when this interview will be released, but in the past 10 days there's been headlines in all the major news outlets, CNN, MSNBC, whatever you want, that new studies shows that eggs lower cholesterol. Old data was wrong.

Oh, that's interesting. All my patients are asking me eggs lower cholesterol. You told me, you know, that they're pretty rich in cholesterol and some saturated fat and I should avoid them, which I do tell patients who should avoid them for a lot of reasons. So it turns out I read the study in detail published in American Journal Clinical Nutrition. You read the study, you quickly go to the conclusions. Now you got to go to the very end of the paper to see that it was funded by the egg industry. It's from Australia, but

That doesn't mean it's absolutely garbage, but it makes it questionable. But what they did, it's so tricky. You got to read the small print. They had a control group. The control group had a pretty high saturated fat diet, and it was also pretty high in cholesterol. And then they had an intervention group where they took the saturated fat foods out. They added in tofu and lentils, and they added two eggs a day and the cholesterol fell.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (10:11.65)

Well, they took the saturated fat foods out like the fatty meats, the cheese. They put in two foods that are known to lower cholesterol like the portfolio diet, tofu and lentils, and they added in two little measly eggs a day. Of course the cholesterol fell because they made a dramatic improvement in their diet and the eggs weren't the improvement. The improvement was substituting saturated fat. Of course they didn't study.

Forget the eggs, let's just take away people's saturated fat, meat and cheese and put in tofu and lentils. Their cholesterol would have fallen dramatically. So you have to read these studies so carefully and it was just scam science, but it still will be read by people that like eggs and they'll say, good, I'll eat four eggs a day instead of two and get my cholesterol even lower while they're eating it with their pork sausage. It's not going to work out well for them.

So, cardiac testing, really do strongly believe, of course, some of the audience knows I was there from the first days of founding PB support with Paul Chatlin in Detroit in early 2014. And Paul's a great example. Nobody adopted a salt oil, sugar-free plant whole food diet more quickly and loyally than Paul Chatlin.

But he found out through some blood work I ultimately did on him that he inherited a genetic predisposition to having atherosclerosis that does not respond to diet. That's a blood test called lipoprotein level A. I'm not trying to sell books, but I wrote a book on the topic so everybody sees the word. Everybody should have that blood test. Because you might think you are eating incredibly healthy. And I also know other members of

plant-based support that have been so loyal to the whole food plant-based diet. And they've had significant heart disease and stents and even heart attacks. And they all have inherited since this does impact about 20 % of people. So if we have thousands of members in plant-based support, we've got probably a thousand or more members that inherited that. And very few primary docs.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (12:29.22)

And even cardiologists draw a $25 blood test. I'm sure you do and I've done it for about 15 years. And I'm flooded with patients that have silent heart disease. So that gets into the next question. Other than just the basic lab tests, if you're a vegan, I mean, get a vitamin D level, you might be low. This isn't a secret. Get a B12 level, you might be low. It's not a secret. I like to draw an omega-3 blood level. It's available through...

Queston LabCorp, the Omega Check, the Omega Index. A lot of my patients are extremely low in Omega-3, including the meat eaters, the turkey eaters, the hunters, the venison eaters. A few of them are eating so much salmon that they're okay or they're taking fish oil or algae oil, but get an Omega-3 blood level. Get an inflammation blood test, high sensitivity C-reactive protein, we call it HSCRP.

You want to have a healthy brain and a low cancer risk and a low diabetes risk and a low heart disease risk. You should have a low CRP level, but you might have a dental issue. You might have a skin issue. might have a gut issue. You might have a food allergy. So you know, my mold, Lyme, all the things that are out there. So you really want to know if you're inflamed or not. You might feel it, but you want to see the blood work. You know, those are the biggest ones. I like a homocysteine level. That's a hard word.

homocysteine. It's so easy to correct it with certain B vitamins. And then finally, I don't care. I've been practicing cardiology over 35 years. I've seen so many people playing pickleball that have advanced heart disease and they don't have a clue. They feel great. I have no symptoms. Doc had just played two hours. So I get everybody to do a heart calcium CT scan. This is a test that was developed in 1990.

My God, by now everybody on the planet should know about it. Their doctor should have told them about it. They should have had one, but it's probably about 2 % of people have had this test. You lie in a stretcher at a hospital, you go on a CT scan. It's a round non-cholesterol phobic CT scanner. For maybe three seconds, you'll hold your breath. No needle, no injection, no iodine, no allergy, no nothing. And you leave. You don't even have to take your shirt off.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (14:51.3)

You might pay $100 for it. It isn't always covered by insurance. In it usually isn't. But for $100, it's the best heart test value on the planet. And you want to be a zero. You want to have a calcium score of zero, which means within the limits of the test, you have no detectable heart artery disease. And with 10,000 research studies, your chance of a heart attack in the next 10 years is so low. I don't put people on medication if they're a zero.

you know, we may have to tweak a few things, but I've just lowered their risk so dramatically low proven that, know, they'll come back in five to seven years and we'll repeat it all. however, so many people, my skinny little yoga women in my practice that are fit as a fiddle and swimming and running. They're full of silent atherosclerosis and very often we find.

A family genetic input that's, if they're abnormal, I'm going to do crazy number of labs. Sometimes their diets off, of course, sometimes they've got bad gums and teeth and other issues, but you got to check your heart. I don't care if you're vegan. do it on myself and I'm getting close to 50 years, clean, clean, clean diet and fitness and sleep. And I'm still a zero. I'm proud to say that it's good for marketing, but I think that's partly because I started this journey at age 18 and

you know, at age 50, 55 is worth it, 60, 65 is worth it, but the earlier the better. So get your kids on a whole food plant-based diet. it's, unfortunately, you know, I don't know if we're the war out there with the young people, but, you know, we gotta keep trying.

Niki Davis, MD (16:33.619)

Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you. You know, the lipoprotein little a that is one that I commonly will check in people. I'm curious. And thankfully, I checked in myself and mine's low. I was worried about that because of my own family history. But with the lipoprotein little a, you mentioned that it's really not something that can be improved using lifestyle changes. Have you ever seen anything help improve it?

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (17:05.486)

Well, you're catching me in my home study and I got all kinds of show and tell. It turns out niacin, vitamin B3, this is not a company I own, it's just a company. Vitamin B3 has been known for 70 years to lower cholesterol rather dramatically and backed by studies in the 1970s and 1980s, it lowers cholesterol and heart attacks and strokes.

a wonderful study called the Coronary Drug Project that actually showed people on niacin live longer than people not on niacin. But about 20 years ago, we're showing that the same niacin vitamin B3 lowers lipoprotein A. And sometimes, even though the textbooks won't say this, 50, 60, 70%. So if you're in my office and I do your blood work and your lipoprotein A comes back high,

And particularly if you do that heart CT scan and I find some silent plaque, I'll probably talk to you about the whole gamut of diet, exercise and lifestyle. We'll talk about statins or not, but I'm probably going to try you for two months on niacin. And you might be one of those dramatic responders. I just don't know how to predict it where your numbers really, really drop. And I'll keep you on it and watch you carefully.

In the general cardiology world, of course, they never talk about nutrition and lifestyle usually, and they certainly have stopped using niacin because of the popularity of statins and other drugs, but it still works pretty amazing.

Niki Davis, MD (18:42.045)

And are there any side effects people should be concerned with, with taking niacin?

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (18:47.778)

Well, there's a very cool hot flush. I like it. Other people hate it. This particular version, the reason I take it myself and I use it, it's called extended release Nysen. Very little flushing. I take with a meal and very well tolerated. And then like any potent vitamin or prescription drug, you got to do blood work. I always will check liver enzymes and blood sugar, but it's well known.

It's the flush kind of a menopausal kind of feeling, right?

Niki Davis, MD (19:22.057)

Okay, yeah. One of the other markers that I will...

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (19:24.9)

But, uh, you know, and then just to finish. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. No, I was just going to say the pharmaceutical industry, maybe a decade ago woke up to the fact if there's 2 billion people in the world and inherited lipoprotein A, maybe we have a market to sell to because things like Lipitor and Crestor absolutely don't work for lipoprotein A. They don't lower it. often.

Niki Davis, MD (19:28.435)

Go ahead.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (19:54.468)

cause it to go up. So there are three drugs in studies right now that one was expected to be announced and maybe released in 2025, but it's been delayed. And the other two are a couple of years further down the road. So by 2030, I think we'll have some very potent tools for Lepoprotein A people. We have potent tools for cholesterol people and blood pressure people and blood sugar people, but we don't have good potent.

know, lipoprotein A tools right now, other than the one I showed you.

Niki Davis, MD (20:27.698)

Right, so with the markers and the testing that you've mentioned for heart disease, one of the other ones that I will often check is the apolipoprotein B. Is that something that you ever check with your kind of basic set of markers that you look at?

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (20:47.372)

Yeah, I'll tell you a funny story, but I'm going to lean over for one second. noisy little beast decided to join me and since we're animal lovers and plant lovers, I'll hold her for a while. She's a sweet little thing unless she sees her bunny. She gets violent if she sees a bunny. So I gave a lecture 30 years ago in a local Detroit restaurant.

Niki Davis, MD (20:56.002)

aww. Yes. Hi, sweetheart.

Niki Davis, MD (21:07.049)

you

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (21:13.316)

for a drug company. did that at the time, paid, called me a pharmaceutical shill, a cholesterol drug. And a world famous cholesterol expert came and the deal was he spoke for 30 minutes, I spoke for 30 minutes, everybody ate their dinner. And he was such a big draw that like 300 people showed up, which was unusual. But back then you could do those things. He started talking first and three hours later he stopped.

And there was like three people left in the room. So I gave, you know, a 20 second summary and that was my presentation. But his message, I remember, other than the comical, ridiculous nature of his presentation being so long, was he kept saying over and over, it's an Apo B world, boys and girls. It's an Apo B world. anybody that follows Advanced Lipids by now would know who I'm talking about because it's his famous statement.

So I've been drawing APO-B blood tests, APO-lipoprotein B, very different than lipoprotein A. It's just another cholesterol test. I find it very useful. I like to follow it. And if you have serious heart disease, we're trying to drop your APO-B level very low. Nowadays, the lower the better is the mantra of cholesterol management. If you have disease, I wouldn't touch a prescription drug if you have that CT scan.

And that's what I use it for. I use it if you're a zero, I take people off prescription drugs and put them on lifestyle alone. So, you know, that's the other reason. If anybody's worried, the radiation dose of this heart CT scan I'm talking about, because that comes up, is equivalent to a woman getting a mammogram. It's considered very low. I just emailed a patient an hour ago. Do that again in eight years. You know, it's very low. It's very infrequent.

You know, the goal of the game I play is stay at zero, stay at zero, stay at zero. so far I've been able to do that for the 25 years I've been checking my kill-seem score and I don't do it very often.

Niki Davis, MD (23:14.852)

Okay. So a question about that then a lot of people. Hello. So the coronary artery calcium score, CAC score, CT. yeah. But the CAC score, you know, it's showing us old calcified hardened plaque in the heart arteries. So sometimes I'll get questions from people because

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (23:17.732)

Lucy, want to say hi to everybody?

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (23:22.308)

She's a good girl. Rescue dog in case anybody's worried. Rescue dog.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (23:39.779)

Right.

Niki Davis, MD (23:44.645)

You know, I think in general in the plant-based world, we talk a lot about, well, the hardened plaque is old plaque. It shows that yes, in your past life up until now, you have been depositing plaque in your arteries, but it doesn't show the soft plaque, which is what typically ruptures when you have a heart attack. So tell us a little bit about that and how.

you know, do we check, is there a way to check soft plaque? Are there any good tests for that? Or is that something you would ever recommend? And if somebody really truly makes a significant lifestyle change, would it be something where they could potentially recheck a CAC score and say five or 10 years? And if it's unchanged, then maybe that's enough to say what they're doing is working.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (24:33.932)

Right, so you're raising a very sophisticated, very accurate, very cutting edge comment that nobody talked about five years ago. I spent 25 years in the cath lab. We never once said the words, you know, hard plaque, soft plaque. We couldn't tell. You just got a blockage and we could put in a stent and we were heroes and then we went out and drank coffee and plastic cups and we're killing ourselves now. We know not to do that either. But.

15 years ago, a more advanced CT scan of the heart was introduced called a corner CT angiogram. You have to inject eye-dine-die. You have to be in that tube just a little longer. And it's a little more radiation. And it was a good test. In fact, the hospital that I did most of my work at was a world pioneer. You're in the emergency room. You're having chest pain. We'd go right to the CT scan. If you've got clean arteries and good lungs, you'd be out of there in an hour.

quicker, easier to save money. And if you had blockage, we know it right away. And things like that were useful, but it was all read by the eyeball. And there's error in there, subjective reading. So about five years ago, a company that I don't own called Clearly developed an AI software that took those pictures with iodine injection. Iodine is a mineral, it's not radioactive, also makes you feel hot.

And they developed a way to read these tests so accurately. So that's called a CLEARLY Health Coronary CT Androgram. And they're completely space age transformation of our ability to be accurate and read these things accurate. So I adopted it quickly. When I see something that's breakthrough, I can recognize pretty quick. And I've ordered close to a thousand of these CLEARLY CT Androgram.

Why doesn't everybody get one? One is more radiation, two, you have to not be allergic to iodine. I actually had a patient today with a life threatening iodine allergy. I can't order it on him, I want to and all. And three, it's about a $1,700 test and you pay for it most of the time. If you're in an emergency room, a different situation. The information I get, how much soft plaque, how much hard plaque, exactly how much narrowing, and then we can track the plaque.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (26:54.884)

every three years do the test. It's incredible. There are a lot of people I haven't encountered anybody yet that has a calcium score of zero with a ton of soft plaque. There are some of them, but if your calcium score is 20, 30, 40, you got the disease. That's a lot lower than somebody with a calcium score of 800, 900, a thousand. But I've had people with low calcium scores. They're never normal, but they're low and just unbelievable. Usually they're metabolically.

They're pre-diabetic, their triglycerides are in poor shape, their waistline's up, their homocysteine level's up. They're just not healthy people. They have gout and other conditions. you know, the testing really helps convince them of lifestyle change. You know, that's a good thing. It convinced them a need to be adherent to lifestyle supplements, we're doing, prescription drugs. And so we will, you know, use these advanced CTs.

Unfortunately, ultrasound and MRI do not cut the mustard. You can't see the arteries. You can see other parts of the heart, but not the arteries. Yeah.

Niki Davis, MD (28:02.777)

Thank you so much for answering that because I do get that question a lot with some of my patients as well. So Dr. Khan, I wanna thank you so much for joining us today. I could just talk to you for hours. I could talk to you for three hours, just like that talk that you had to listen to.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (28:21.636)

I agree.

Niki Davis, MD (28:25.559)

Yeah, definitely. Well, so again, thank you so much. And for those who are listening, we would love for you to join our growing community at plantbasedsupport.org. We have in-person and virtual events. And if you love our show, help us grow at plantbasedsupport.org. Every donation helps us support more people like you on their journey to health. And in addition to our website, you can also find us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn. Please subscribe, like.

comment. Now Dr. Khan, do you yourself have a website or social media handle that you'd like to share with our listeners so they can learn more about you?

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (29:06.68)

Yeah, I have been in the website social media business for a long, long, time. www.drjoelkahn.com. Dr. J O E L K A H N. There's how you spell it. Dr. J O E L K A H N.com. It'll take you to my weekly podcast, a plant based podcast. Not many of those called Heart Doc VIP. The V's for vegan, the I's for integrative and the P's for preventive.

and lots of articles and I see many, many patients all over the United States every week. and I'm mainly active, particularly on Instagram, drjkahn many, many times a day, sometimes funny stuff, mostly medical stuff. This morning I talked about the egg study, the famous biased egg study. Yeah.

Joel Kahn, MD FACC (30:12.174)

Good, okay.

Niki Davis, MD (30:51.461)

All right, thank you everyone for watching. Thanks again to Dr. Joel Kahn who joined us today. Until next time, I'm Dr. Niki Davis with the Plant-Based Support Podcast.